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[Medo.392]

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SFCvsHT

ok here under i posted pic's of all players in the channel, now since i saw their players stats during CW, i saw most medium players(plat to low master), and now suddenly i got my mid master outmatched, 1st ZvZ platinum player beats my master player... the hell!?
same goes whit the rest, so while i was rageing like hell i saw a player that looked so familiar(chewbro, headadmin in clan fresh).. So i go and see the same flaged clans and look into clan fresh and see the same guy who's in our match channel... What the hell is a nother clan's admin doing in our match channel
then it ends up there from the same team, same country, and clan fresh had a big chance of ending up second place. I could be wrong, but this is a smurfed match.

you have the replays and stuff so check them out, see the players status(leagues and stuff) and who's team it is. hope you guys know what your doing.

http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m...ounterId=30265

these 1st 3 pics are just to show who is all in the channel.

http://www.sc2croatia.com/wp-content...812-191705.png
http://www.sc2croatia.com/wp-content...812-191655.png
http://www.sc2croatia.com/wp-content...812-191702.png

http://www.sc2croatia.com/wp-content...eshchewbro.jpg

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Geändert von Medo.392 (12. August 2012 um 20:03 Uhr)

[handsumSnail]

to clarify. today it was clanwar between "sfc_" and "HT" (from denmark)

clan "sfc_" was second in the league. clan "HT" was 8th out of 10 teams.

since they were doing so bad, we expected easy win. our midmasters player "vansvemirac" was supposed to play a platinum opponent. he lost. the hell?

then, we saw something weird. in CW chanell "HTvsSFC" there was a guy named FreshChewbro. here's proof:

http://www.sc2croatia.com/wp-content...eshchewbro.jpg

FreshChewbro is admin of clan "Fresh" (also from denmark), and they are placed first in the same league as clan "sfc_"

obviously, their guys smurfed for clan "HT" so that they remain first in the league, and you have situation that platinum player beats masters, etc.

this should not be allowed because it's cheating.

[Medo.392]

uhhh, my friend also found this
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/clanwar/ladder/team/6841816/
check the players
plus i got a nother player, who told me that they merged!
he can tell you that him self tomorow evening, if any admin wants to hear this(plus this link above is the merge confirmation)

[Warmaker]

We havent been playing the tournament since we couldnt put 4 man everytime. Then our countrymen from Clan Fresh asked us to play so we did so.

Before we stopped playing we were second at the league so its np, and i guess we would be there if not the number 1 if we keep playing.
In the middle of the tournament the management of Herlev-Tigers, we wanted to make a agreement with Clan Fresh with include they will play with us ON ESL, not SC2CL before next match.
If u can read danish i can link to the news on our homepage, else use googletranslate:
http://www.herlev-tigers.dk/freshgoestigers
I can translate a bit of it:
The agreement include that we will be wearing the clantag of HT.Fresh in tournaments, this include the next (And i say it again, NEXT) season of SC2CL. In ESL ClanWarladder we will all be playing together under the tag of HT.

I just dont play the league, dosent mean i can play the game huh? If u look at buddha and other stuff u will see they are highmasters, its only me who are under masters and i made a great play the other day, why should i else be playing with masters if i cant play like them?

[CCROPT]

We discuss this issue at the moment.

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Zitat von kingcools Denke die Ermordung osama bin ladens lag auch zeitlich in der gegend, liegt eher daran.

Zitat von YesNoCancel lol, wus? die leute haben weniger filme im kino angeguckt, wegen osama bin laden?

Zitat von kingcools der statistische zusammenhang ist unwiderlegbar!

[handsumSnail]

Zitat von Warmaker We havent been playing the tournament since we couldnt put 4 man everytime. Then our countrymen from Clan Fresh asked us to play so we did so. Before we stopped playing we were second at the league so its np, and i guess we would be there if not the number 1 if we keep playing. In the middle of the tournament the management of Herlev-Tigers, we wanted to make a agreement with Clan Fresh with include they will play with us ON ESL, not SC2CL before next match. If u can read danish i can link to the news on our homepage, else use googletranslate: http://www.herlev-tigers.dk/freshgoestigers I can translate a bit of it: The agreement include that we will be wearing the clantag of HT.Fresh in tournaments, this include the next (And i say it again, NEXT) season of SC2CL. In ESL ClanWarladder we will all be playing together under the tag of HT. I just dont play the league, dosent mean i can play the game huh? If u look at buddha and other stuff u will see they are highmasters, its only me who are under masters and i made a great play the other day, why should i else be playing with masters if i cant play like them?

bit**, please.
don't write like this in my forum!

last time "platinum-for-5-seasons" player beat "masters-since-beta" was back in first 6 month of the game. at least be a man and admit you let someone else play on your acc.

your only good player is buddha, everybody else is low-masters at best, mostly diamonds and stuff. if you had mid-masters rooster, you wouldn't be 8th out of 10 teams in the division.

this is such obvious cheating it's painfull to read. but no worries, admins usually know their job, cheers.

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Geändert von CCROPT (15. August 2012 um 10:03 Uhr)

[Warmaker]

Read "We havent been playing the tournament since we couldnt put 4 man everytime. Then our countrymen from Clan Fresh asked us to play so we did so.

Before we stopped playing we were second at the league so its np, and i guess we would be there if not the number 1 if we keep playing."

And btw, mature language at the start.

[Sumsman]

We were several people from Clan Fresh in the channel. Our interest was to observe some games. This was unfortunately denied for every game by SFC's players. We respected that. As such, I cannot tell what happened during the "Platium vs Master"-game. My only comment on that is, that I (a gold level player) have previously beaten a diamond level player in an unrelated tournament. While that is not the same as the case here, it does go to indicate players who are competent, but don't play very much, may stay in lower leagues and still be able to beat people from way higher leagues. At least if your rage doesn't prevent you from taking my word for it

While it is true that HT and Clan Fresh have merged over the course of the tournament, I find it sad that this results in these types of accusations. When we merged with HT, we learned that they had intended to stop playing this tournament, as they had problems with raising a full team for the tournament during the summer vacation. This would result in several walk-overs during matches, and would surely place them low in the tournament. We, the members of Clan Fresh, urged the members of HT to play as many games as possible. This would provide opportunity to take points from otherwise "dangerous" opponents (such as SFC ). I assume that urging another team to participate in the tournament to the best of their abilities, is not cheating (or so help me God!). Since the merge of HT and Clan Fresh, we have vigorously been practicing with the members of HT and seen great improvements across all members. When the HT-players won against SFC, we cheered and it was my understanding that the general consensus was, that this was a result of said vigorous training.

I'm sorry if you take it as a personal affront to loose against a platinum player. I do not believe that it is because your level isn't worthy of Master League, but rather that the Platinum league player simply performed better than his league would suggest.

As a final note: Please keep a pleasant tone while debating. It helps argue your case when you don't call people names or insult almost every player on the opponent team.

[CCROPT]

okay guys we are still on this issue, no need for bad language. Last warning!

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Zitat von kingcools Denke die Ermordung osama bin ladens lag auch zeitlich in der gegend, liegt eher daran.

Zitat von YesNoCancel lol, wus? die leute haben weniger filme im kino angeguckt, wegen osama bin laden?

Zitat von kingcools der statistische zusammenhang ist unwiderlegbar!

[handsumSnail]

i tought it was common knowledge that "b please" is an internet meme (a popular one at that)

it represents this (which i didnt use because some forums dont allow adding images to comments, ie teamliquid.net):

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...UPh61KX3izVaSm

since i was mistaken in that judgment i apologize to admins for stirring up potential trouble and making them do extra work... if anything, i'm sorry that the focus was moved away from obvious smurfing and breaking the league's rules and hope the issue is resolved quickly and decisively.

in the end, it doesn't really matter when this happen in lower leagues, but i think fair play should be respected in higher divisions and teams that cheat need to learn a lesson early, while they still test with what they can slide by

cheers

[Sumsman]

I'm sorry for the additional reading on the subject, CCROPT, but I felt it was important to explain how Clan Fresh and HT is connected and explain our members presence in the chat channel.

I would like to add that handsumsnail is incorrect to state that HT is mostly Diamond League players. To easily demonstrate this, I provide you the link to our personal ladder for HT.Fresh members:
http://sc2ranks.com/c/8894/clan-fresh/
Which, when cross-referenced with the members of HT.Starcraft:
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=squad&squadId=4471
will show that HT is mostly Master-players.

[Ampere]

The Administration has come to the conclusion that we can not impose punishment, based on a - if
plausible - suspicion. It is quite possible under certain circumstances, that a low-rated
Player can defeat a higher classification. Since there are no comparable replays to get an accurate picture
and one can not derive from the statements made ​​by the teams who is right, we must refrain from
Punishment.
Although the points about the clan fusion are legit, these are just assumptions and no evidence.
However, we will keep an closer eye on team HT in the future.

Should there be other issues or questions you may apply to an admin via PM or IRC.

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