Division 24 again

[Evilbringer]

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As i wrote few days ago, in division 24 there are still issues with teams, which have not filled players identifiers: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/sc2cl/?m=squad&squadId=901

How it's possible...? Can't believe in this system. I am really sorry, but this is really annoying, that admins are not looking on this. What we can find about our oponents? nothink. What they can find about us? Everythink.

Match between Team FInland and From korea with lowe seems that it was not played in time, because no result here, and today at morning there were not in team finland identifiers too (now filled). Rules are only for someone...?

[SunTzuYAO]

Okay, so I have been reading your posts.

First: all of our identifiers are now being filled in, and every player that plays will have filled in his bnet info before playing a game.

Second: If you read the forums you would see that we and team finland postponed the game until tuesday(tommorrow), since we had some squad problems, and TF was kind enough to postpone the game.

I can't see why you go onto the forums and keep raging about this? I am sure the admins are doing their best, and I can't see why you are complaining, it's not like it's hurting you, even if we wouldn't fill in our chars and identifiers, in the end, it would just mean that you get promoted without even having to play? While I understand you would rather play the games, there is absolutely no reason to rage.

It's a big tournament, and the admins and players are doing their best, I'm sure. Please relax.

[Evilbringer]

I am sying true, not only things which will admins like to read. I am little older than you (i can say it even if i don't know how old you are) and i must say, that i played alot of tourneys and BWCL (don't be angry admins) was always in shadow of PGT, WGT CL and others... Why? Because of administration, rules mean nothing, germans team (especially in begining of BWCL) had always big advantage against the others - again because of admins.

And now i am pointing at the same issues and problems and hope, that admins will not ruin this tourney like BWCL. If you will look at my post normally, not like angry man, you will se, that i am saying true in most part...

Think about tourney organization, because this is null year SC2CL and which picture you will make for it, it will persist for future. And i still think, that rules are always on first position and you must show to the teams, that they must follow these rules. Especially when there is so big prizes. I am raged because only two teams in our league did everything what is in rules.

I read there on forum, that last minute for filling all these informations was 20:59, in this sunday, before first matches. How big problems they can have to fill up all informations about players? Edit, write right, save... Sorry, when all players and teams can do that right, why not them?

Admins - make it clear...

Howgh.

[IPSZeRo]

I don't know why you are stating that german teams were favored by the admins, that is just not true. I think the admins always did a good job of treating everybody equaly.

As SunTzu stated you didn't have any disadvantage because of that. The admins don't have to check every team if every member entered the correct information. They have to act if one team complains at playday that the other team didn't follow the rules to enter the information. Those issues are between korea with love and team finnland, if they are fine with entering the information now, let them. If they fail to do so until you play them then you can take a freewin.

Please note that my staff icon is not related to bwcl/sc2cl.

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[Evilbringer]

Ok... So they can fill up their informations one minute before CW starts... Thats great. really. So ideal trick is: Delete all informations after cw and fill them again one minute before next one? To leave oponent blind? Because i feel like i am stupid, that we are shouting about us all over every possible information - our races on bnet, our stats, our most succesful map, our division, our league... So when we are going by rules, we are idiots...

As ansver about germans team... Yes - i have experience with that, when we played BWCL yeras ago, when we played vs German team and they goes over rules (they didnt shown at time, we found replays, where one observer given tips to player etc. everytime german team was cleared of all these problems and nothink happened - maybe because 99% of BWCL german teams had at least one admin of BWCL in their team).

Ps. Last week SC2cl german team was fairy, so it's not rule, that german team have advantage now...

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Geändert von Evilbringer (18. Mai 2010 um 11:24 Uhr)

[Evilbringer]

Btw. Only one think which i want is this: Make CLEAR rules for every clan. Make dates, which are fixed, make rules for everyone same. And when someone broke rules, show it to him. Not like now...

[Horst Schlemmer]

The rules are clear. Every player that participates has to enter his ID until the cw starts or he isn't allowed to play. "Until the cw starts" is a fixed date, if you do it earlier it's not the admin's fault.

[Evilbringer]

So it's true, that it's my fault, that we have these informations filled...?

[SunTzuYAO]

Okay so:


- Members of a clan are allowed to play, if they
1. Have an ingame-account
2. are listed with their SC2 nick and identifier on the SC2CL-memberpage of their respective clan

The members of my team that are going to play the match against Finland today, all have it filled in, and noone will play without it, for sure, after all, that is just a freewin for you, isn't it?

Even if you might dislike the rules, don't say we aren't following them when we clearly are.

(btw, pretty sad that youre calling me an "angry man" and pretty much saying that I am young and dumb, when you clearly have no idea how old I am. At the very least, if youre that old, then at least act like you are, instead of raging and insulting everyone.)

[Evilbringer]

I am not insulting everyone. I want only clear rules. And give to everyone same chances.

Question is still same: So it's ok, when right after match we delete all identifiers and fill them up one minute before next match?

[funkiwii]

You need correct informations when you are playing a leaguegame.
What you do with your informations when you don't play is your thing .

But in each other league u can swap you gameaccounts easiliy ... thats not new

regards

[Evilbringer]

Zitat von Evilbringer I am not insulting everyone. I want only clear rules. And give to everyone same chances. Question is still same: So it's ok, when right after match we delete all identifiers and fill them up one minute before next match?

Still don't know ansver...

Zitat von Evilbringer I am sying true, not only things which will admins like to read. I am little older than you (i can say it even if i don't know how old you are) and i must say, that i played alot of tourneys and BWCL (don't be angry admins) was always in shadow of PGT, WGT CL and others... Why? Because of administration, rules mean nothing, germans team (especially in begining of BWCL) had always big advantage against the others - again because of admins. And now i am pointing at the same issues and problems and hope, that admins will not ruin this tourney like BWCL. If you will look at my post normally, not like angry man, you will se, that i am saying true in most part... Think about tourney organization, because this is null year SC2CL and which picture you will make for it, it will persist for future. And i still think, that rules are always on first position and you must show to the teams, that they must follow these rules. Especially when there is so big prizes. I am raged because only two teams in our league did everything what is in rules. I read there on forum, that last minute for filling all these informations was 20:59, in this sunday, before first matches. How big problems they can have to fill up all informations about players? Edit, write right, save... Sorry, when all players and teams can do that right, why not them? Admins - make it clear... Howgh.

Sorry, I had a lot to do and couldnt answer here.
Ok, let's start this. First, PGT wasn't a league. Second, we were always the biggest BW clanleague around. fact. Yes WGTCL and ICCCL were more prestigious, they were sponsored, we not. Still, this has nothing to do with all that.
Ok, BWCL favored german clans? eehhhm, yeah ur talking about a timeline of 9 years with changing admin teams, so stop ur stupid accusations and think before u post. With Cassius and Tomcat the internalization of the BWCL started, they weren't favoring german players over others, for sure not. Ok when Lonic took over the BWCL this might have been right (and imo it partly was). But at the end when he was not the only head admin anymore and especially with the time of Ascy, Trust and Crow it definitely changed and there was no disadvantage for international clans. And since Sonic and me are head admins ... well ... let me just laugh out loud! Because this is just ridiculous, u may go around and ask people if Sonic or me ever favored a german clan in a decision. I bet u wont find barely anyone who agrees on that. So next time, better think first, get some information or shut up, sorry, but that is how it is. and btw., the BWCL was never ruined, who told u that? we are still the biggest and oldest BW league .

ok and now to ur problem. the rule u mentioned was supposed to apply for the first playday, everyone should enter his id so that their opponent wont have a problem checking their accounts on the page and in emergency cases could check for them in battle net if they would not have been in the IRC.

and as IPS.ZeRo already pointed out, if they both agree on postponing the game, they basically postpone their first playday, which means that the rule applies here in the same way, in that case before their postponed matchtime.

besides that, even if this would have been a violation of the rules, do u really expect us to check 130 clans if every member has his bnet nick entered? the advantage u are talkin bout is, especially at the current status of sc2, too slightly.

to ur question if u may change ur players bnet nicks after the game to rechange it before the game. no. we are currently trying to implement it in the script that once u enter ur bnet nick, u cannot change it anymore urself.

and despite, we haven't expected anyone to even come to such an idea of taking all that time to always change the bnet nicks of his players. despite we see and check the changes in the logs, bc of accsharing/smurfing.